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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2003 11:20 pm    Post subject: The Movement of Simbeonese Nationalists Reply with quote

I, Red Hashmeer have abandoned the concept of Capitalism and embraced Socialism. I now find the current state of Dysotopia disgusting and anarchial. Three powers now exist in this world. The Lost Guard of Glorin, The Order of the White Rose, and the order of the Howling Wolf.
The Order of the Howling Wolf represents the way things currently are. They are against change and espically against revolutionary change. the Order of the Howling Wolf is anti war because war would bring about change and change is bad for them, because without anarchy, there would be no reason for their existance. They do this subconsiously of course else they would be backing one side or the other.
The Lost Guard of Glorin is the group i would most agree with of the three powers. They say they strive for goals such as equality, justice, freedom, and democracy. The reason the Lost Guard are hipocrytical is because they support the current way things are run and only create war to defend themselves. The Lost Guard, like the Order of the Howling Wolf supports anarchy and inequality without knowing it.
The Order of the White Rose are the worst of the three because their evil and wrong doing does not come subconsiously. The White Rose do not care what the government or econmy is at the moment as long as it grants them the right to exploit the people. Anarchy or Capitalism is their motto. The White Rose are greedy, ever money hungry, land raping, exploiting, manipulated individuals. Ontop of being Capitalistic, they are also very non democratic and promote a sort of "cult of personality" guild. LaZ, their leader, makes them follow his every move and worship him like a god. As followers of Tempus, the White Rose also tend to be very pro war for the purpose of war. The White Rose represent the evil of this land.
Meaning we have one neutral guild, one neutral army, and one evil guild. Who will take a stand and represent the good in this world? Will we let anarchy claim our souls? Or will we let Capitalism exploit us to the point of no return? Who will make the move tword freedom? That awnser is a simple one. The Simbeonese Liberation Army.
In order to join the Simbeonese Liberation or SLA, one must be willing to sacrifice himself for "The Way." Though wars are terrible and often senseless and evil. Wars of independence and wars of revolution achive good. The Way is the very foundation of our orginization.


The Way
The Way is the belief of Socialism and equality. The Way represents why we fight. The Way is the ultimate dream of establishing a unified Dysotopia free of oppresstion, inequality, and anarchy. This is examplified by the folloing Goals/Demands the SLA has made.
1) All of Dysotopia be declared a single, indivible state.
2) Every Dysotopian, having attained the age of 21, and granted he is not a condemned criminal, is eligible for election or as an elector.
3) Government officals shall be salaried so, manual workers too can become members of the New Dysotopian State.
4) Universal arming of the people. A worker army be created so that soldiers too, can earn their keep and at the same time, defend their homeland in a time of war. Those who join the Worker Army will be paid a salary from the army as well as their workers' salary.
5) All Dysotopians be made equal before the law with free legal services. Those who are suspected criminals will be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
6) All land will become property of the State for redistribution.
7) In localities where farming methods are well devoloped, the landrent or the earnest money will be payed to the state as a tax
icon_cool.gif A State bank, whose paper tender are legal issues, will replace the many scattered banks of today.
9) All means of transportation and utility will become state property and will be placed at the disposal of the people to use for their personal needs.
10) Salaries of all civil servants are made equal. Unless the civil servant has a family to provide for, in which case he has a larger need and requires more pay.
11) Complete Seperation of Church and State. The Church will recieve absolutely no pay from the State but rather from the followers of that religion.
12) The Right of Inheritance be curtailed
13) The Introduction of a graduated income tax and the abolishment on taxes to articles of consumption.
14) All workers be granted a yearly pay raise
15) Inauguration of national workshops. The State guarantees a livelyhood for all workers and provides for thise who are incapiciated for work.
16) Uinversal and gratuitious education
17) Free healthcare

If you are intrested in joining my revolutionary army, send me a PM or tell me in game
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PostFri 01/10/03 2:29am
I, Aphykin Aps, pledge my loyalty to The Way!  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You remind me of the story of the scorpion trying to cross the river with the help of a dog..............the final line being***cos its my nature......you stand revealrd for the viper you are biting the hand that fed you
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Order of the Howling Wolf represents the way things currently are. They are against change and espically against revolutionary change. the Order of the Howling Wolf is anti war because war would bring about change and change is bad for them, because without anarchy, there would be no reason for their existance. They do this subconsiously of course else they would be backing one side or the other.

No, Mr. Red Hashmeer, we are not against change, we are against war, and war is not always necessary for changes. But, regrettably, for things to change heavily, it is almost always necessary. I do support your cause, but i do not support the use of violence, although it may be necessary for your cause to be succesful. I support your cause because it would better this world. BUT I will not actively join you in your war, for that would go against my beliefs, as i am sure you would know.
But, for any other non-violent tasks or other ways of support, feel free to contact me.

Another thing, we do not exist because of anarchy, we exist because we each follow the same beliefs, and if you thought about it, you would see that anarchy in no way helps us with our beliefs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drastic change in the way things are currently will not come through peace. If there is peace with the White Rose, you let them recriut and further rape our land. If there is peace with the Lost Guard, you will let them plot their next tactical move. I call upon all people of Dysotopia to rise against your oppressors and join the Movement of Simbeonese Nationalists. Workers of all nations unite! We have a world to win and nothing to lose but our chains.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that most people are quite happy with the way that the world is right now. The reason why the Order of the Howling Wolf resists war is also because we do not believe it is necessary at ALL right now. We see the fighting going on between the WR and LGoG and it is all but pointless!

If the only fighting going on right now in the fair land of Dysotopia was the fight to rid the land of monsters and foul creatures who do not contribute to society, then we believe all would be well.

It seems to me that you wish to rally the people together simply for the sake of bringing down the 3 organizations that you mention (mine included), and possibly putting yourself in a position of power to replace them.

Of course, I only base my accusations on your past deeds, or misdeeds as they may be.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You people speak of a war between the WR and the LGoG. Is there still one? I thought Glorin tried to negotiate a peace and I also thought their war was with Red mostly.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not say there was war. I said there was pointless fighting. Although it has been going on so long between the two that it might as well just be called a long-standing "war" anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been no negoitations thusfar between the two orginizations. The war continues and people on both sides die every day. Are people happy with the way things are now? Maybe you are, maybe the Elerina Watch is, maybe the Order of The White Rose is, maybe the Kravenwood Militia is. I am not, i know many upon many people who are unhappy with two superpowers controlling the world. At a constant state of warfare for an excuse to rape and pillage the land. At a constant state of warfare to prouce ultra-nationalism. At a constant state of warfare to excuse mass military spending. We are at war to liberate the island of the two superpowers. You are not happy with the way things are and i know it. You say so yourself by pointing out how these powers are at war. Yet you still sit back, and will not take action. icon_exclaim.gif
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It seems to me that most people are quite happy with the way that the world is right now. The reason why the Order of the Howling Wolf resists war is also because we do not believe it is necessary at ALL right now. We see the fighting going on between the WR and LGoG and it is all but pointless!


only because death means very little... just respawn come back in 2 seconds and start fighting again, thats always how it has been

thats why its "just a game" and not something more
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Unfortunately Red, your experimental socialist "army" will do nothing more than bind the forces of the LGoG and WR more tightly to their own groups, much like the Drow attacks in Sylvandale did. You need to address the lack of economy directly. You also need to consider the mismatch between your stated objectives and your behavior and the subsequent impact to your credibility.

That said, best of luck, your ideals sound noble.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2003 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An army will do nothing Red. That is how many wars and countries were won BUT THIS IS A GAME! People come back in about 2 seconds and start fighting again. All a army and war will do is make everything MORE choatic. If you really want something like what your proposing I suggest you rally people who think and fell the same way you do and approach it in a civilized maner not just start a "war" and get a "army"
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon316 wrote:
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It seems to me that most people are quite happy with the way that the world is right now. The reason why the Order of the Howling Wolf resists war is also because we do not believe it is necessary at ALL right now. We see the fighting going on between the WR and LGoG and it is all but pointless!


only because death means very little... just respawn come back in 2 seconds and start fighting again, thats always how it has been

thats why its "just a game" and not something more


Wolf, you just totally proved Jon's point
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Let us now stop and ponder the latest offering from the hands of the inventor of the Great Kraven Housing Scandal...the manager of the bank that took your money and never ever gave it back...the seller of swords who gives you nothing but a smile after taking your money...So the leopard has changed its spots has it lets look closer shall we at the statement of The WAY

First it proposes Socialism and freedom that the land be free of everything war inequality and what it doesnt say Free of freedom itself
Point1--A single indivisible state ....this means no opposition no criticism you agree to the new order or perish
Point 2--Elections --believe the iraq constitution says the same..How the election works how candidates chosen needs to be explaines at present this is as empty as the democratic beliefs of the writer
Point 3Nothing revolutionary there why is it included simply for volume?
Point 4Again why is there ...but think of the economic and tax implications of the double salaries and the disruption to production of having training etc...Fiscal Lunacy no wonder The Bank Of Hashmeer Closed its doors
Point 5Again sounds nice except err what is the Law how is it decided how is it amended ...another flossy empty phrase..and all have free Leagal services....more Fiscal Lunacy
Point 6 all land property of the state..stifle enterprise ..who decides the redistribution....and who gets the redistribution...sounds nice till you apply a little thought
Point 7 Tax the farmers the poor of the land there goes the equality Tax those who produce the food ......but just a minute youre taxing the State cos the state owns the land and redistributes it retaining control...so this one baffles me a lot
Point 8pick myself up ....You really want this Financial Guru to run the economy and bank....I hear he was first choice for Enron before the scandal
Point 9here we go again sounds nice but how is it financed ???
point 10 furthur explanation needed does this mean all equally low or all equally high..and the manager the clerk the scribe get the same now theres incentive to make an effort....Sorry red forgot the incentive was the knife at your back
point11 Why have religion youre a socialist its the opiate of the masses
point 12Curtailed nice word means reduced gives no indication of amount ..nice Red suitably fuzzy
point 13 Introduction graduated tax the farmers are already overtaxed
and govermment workers that include the citizen army therefore all get the same salary......err wheres the graduation....considering the levels of public expenditure youve promised where in hell are you going to get the money?..and then you promise no article tax ....youll be bankrupt within the month
point 14 Payrise paid for how ???
point 15 Yes more government expenditure
point 16 and yet even more Government excess

people dont be fooled by the trickster again this is a con ...look at his promises they are either meaingless platitudes to play to the masses...or the deranged nightmare of an accountant cos they mean economic disater with a capital D

Yes workers unite you having nothing to lose ..or you will have nothing to lose after you support Mr Hashmeer
and even if you have chains dont worry cos little old Red will even steal those
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nicely said.....finally someone in the lost guards of glorin is thinking outside the box  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see M-K so what you are saying is: Taxes are evil and so is the establishment of of a Free State that provides for it's people. You keep asking how i am going to provide for the people but it is obviously shown in the tax policies i have shown.
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PostMon 01/13/03 8:46am
I though taxing was banned, then again maybe thats just me. emot-yum.gif  Reply with quote
 
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Taxes are far from Evil but your tax base is negligble in the way outlined and certainly unable to support the expenditures youve planned..as such its seems like draemworld or voodoo Economics
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