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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 6:19 pm    Post subject: Death!!!! Reply with quote

Well as we all know that waiting 5 minutes before you can respawn is a great idea to assist rp, but when you see dead bodies laying there it leaves them very vulnerable to the theives of Dyso, my idea if possible was to be able to respawn straight away and after the respawn have the use of soulstones stopped for 5 minutes, this then leaves no dead bodies lying there and also enables us to actually spend time after death in the place we deserve to be.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a half bad idea






Easily do able

Prevents Grifeing

and you can do things in death, like re do inventory, you just cant come back

but, it still doesnt give a feel of a battle, when you have bodies everywhere, hehe i like that

Easyier Soultion: Make stealing, or at least Massive stealing from Dead People, aginest the EULA

Easiest soultion : be a good player and dont go it icon_sad.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it is possiable to have an unmakred "corpse" left from a players death.
You can even pick up these corpses and what not.

Just a thought, if someone wants to meet half way.
But, I like the current system so....no whining from me.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was not the reason i came up with the idea, its just that came in my head to prevent it. As soon as people reach Hell, Heaven, Limbo they straight away go to the portal and back to wherem ever they died to get their treasure, This will actually allow us to stay in hell etc for a short while, also see others that who suffered death, where do you go Nel?? i bet you'd become best of friends (if you already aint) to the master of after death icon_twisted.gif icon_twisted.gif icon_twisted.gif icon_twisted.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nel goes to heaven, im not Nel , IM marine, I dont have Breast

I can go in to this farther, But the point is

Seperate the player, and the Chararcter
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Death you die it hurts if people come as they do and pick at the bodies sorry that life.The idea is for death to be bad sorry this is a way of mitigating its effects.
Why should stealing be against the EULA i dont understand get friends protect yourself and your body.
Dead bodies are meant to nbe vunerable thats the idea consider the results of your actions before you leap in.Learn a new tactic run away avoid dont start sensless feuds.
Its fine the way it is possible extend death to 10 or 15 mins would be my suggestion
PP is fine the way it is too if you get caught alone yove only yerself to blame not the perps there doing what comes natural to them.Its a dangerous world out there live with it.Not make it all candy flossy in the words if the great Cleric Disneytopia
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PostWed 04/02/03 7:37pm
I thought stealing from a body gets you insta-killed?

did it change?
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I hope it doesn't get you insta killed. To be honest I like the 5 minute wait, and I like the looting of bodies if your friends leave you.. if you have any. I'd guarantee the number of raise dead and ressurection spells have increased on a scale I cannot even imagine. Furthermore, I'm all for the looting of bodies, why wouldn't an evil or greedy person take what they could from a vanquished foe? Now as players we shouldn't strip them clean, and of course good aligned characters probably shouldn't do it. But it really makes sense to me. I think the way death is a lot. I thought it was a little weak, and still kind of do, but as you get up in levels it really does cost a bit to die. Still getting off kind of easy though I think. The only thing I'd really change is an increased loss for those who are not rezzed. just my opinion though.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that idea wouldnt work too well to the exploit with which people can avoid going to the afterlife, or simply relogging. This way even if they relog or avoid death they still have the punishment of waiting 5 minutes.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I disagree here. That shouldn't be done. The thieving thing is VERY realistic. Really, I'm not kidding. It's so realistic, and it adds another element of danger to death, so that's good as well. People need to fear death. And this is one of the things because of which they fear it. So it's good.......
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PostWed 04/02/03 8:36pm
some realisum needs to be sarficed for Player fun

No one really Dies in a FPS ? eh?

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Yes, I do, but what we are mainly trying to do is make a realistic and still fun game here.
Oh, and you obviously didn't play Counterstrike icon_razz.gif.

Also, this is some good realism. Without this, you would have some really stupid things. Because the people wait in the afterlife, they may decide to attack anyone who comes in for fun. That's just one thing.
If you remove that penalty, or change it to a lesser form, you take away some of the heavy weight of death, and that is not good. Because death should come at a very high price. That's what Gesh and Bri have been trying to do, they want to add some REAL fear of death, not like 2.x And this adds to that fear, so I truly believe that it is good.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont want the EXP changed, Matter a Fact, I Think Death should be Very, very Fearful !

but, I dont want to lose my entier invendtory, when i die.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then don't die!!!! This is EXACTLY what they were aiming for. They want more party play so someone doesn't rob your corpse. It also promotes fear of death, because you just exhibited it. Seriously, this is a brilliant thing. If your corpse gets looted, you'll be a lot more careful the next time, and it makes it more realistic and in the end also a nicer experience.

I'm not saying anything anymore on this topic, because this is basically just an opinion problem.
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The current system is fine. If there's one thing that I don't want to happen to me when I'm playing a game is for the screen to go completely black, possibly lose items I've saved my hard earned gold for to looters, not be able to play the game for several minutes, automatically lose some of the aforementioned hard earned gold no matter what, and have at least the last hour of gameplay "wasted" in regards to XP gain. Rebirth will have a more "funner" death system, but I get the feeling that it's still not going to be something you look forward to, exactly.....
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Well I think the current "steal from a dead person and you die" is one of the most f***ed up things put into the server. Where the hell is the roleplay in that?!

I've said to some ppl that there are 2 possible solutions to this problem, but I'll explain them now:

1. When you die, you can respawn instantly. However, you must wait 5 minutes in the afterlife before you can return to the prime material plane.

2. Thieves are limited to X amount of pickpockets on a corspe.

Damnit it's the most annoying thing getting killed for looting a corpse. It makes no sense in terms of roleplay, and I've no idea why it was implemented in the first place. But then dyso's always been anti-rogue.

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Whoa. I didn't know this. Yeah, if we're going to have lootable corpses, then why kill people when they try to loot them? Either do the thing about the waiting in Heaven/Hell/Limbo and make a "fake" corpse, or make them fully lootable. But Griff's idea about a limited number of attempts on a corpse is good. My idea has been to have 1 item randomly selected from your inventory (not equipped) dropped with your corpse, and that's it. Not too scary, but scary enough.
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Agreeed as Shadow Core said dont die.You dont want to lose yer things thats the idea FEAR so lets not go watering it down.And lets have FEAR the dead corpses should be lootable.To Stop looting have friends you can trust to stand over you.The dead have always been looted ask the Phareohs.
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The dead have always been looted ask the Phareohs.

i tried but they weren't very talkative.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that when you die you should go hell or whereever and then wait 10 min. instead of 5.
If you want realism do perm. death and you drop everything... This is why death isint real.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2003 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could deal with perma death

man, Nel sure would have a lot more friends if the only way to save your character is to have a cleric res it.
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I didnt really mean to do perm death. Perm death would ruin the server more than PGing and Cheating.  Reply with quote
 
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man, Nel sure would have a lot more friends if the only way to save your character is to have a cleric res it.


considering she would Rez everyone

yes
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2003 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malakalam wrote:
How? it certainly hasn't ruined pen and paper.


Good call! I agree here. It would be a total bitch, but bet you wouldn't be fighting trolls at level 5 or killing each other over insults now would ya?
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PostThu 04/03/03 5:23am
hehehehe

Guess not
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But you'd be pretty damned pissed if some lamer came a long throwing around some deaths spells and you fail a save as a lvl 20.

It would be nice, but some things should be seriously tweaked, and there would have to be a way to get a character back, because if there isn', and some lamer came along, you would be ruined for ever and ever.
What I would like is an afterlife, with some way of getting back, and then we could have the perma-death.
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PostThu 04/03/03 8:26am
Er, well I am sure the admins can get your character back if you somehow got killed in a lame way. Such as PKing.  Reply with quote
 
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ohhhh PERM DEATH!

That sounds exciting, but as long as the admins could hook you back up if you got killed in a lame way. Lagg kills or lucky shots are REALLY annoying. *points to Soul Seekers*

*soul seeker sticks out tounge and runs through portal*

I've got em!

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