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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 10:03 am    Post subject: [u][b]The Mages Guild. All Mages and Arcane Manipulators Rea Reply with quote

I think it is time once again to bring all mages together as one. Those special arcane and dark arts mages that are unguilded, or even those ho are..Please consier the factors im about to put towards you on this many attempted and somewhat failed, guild type.

Quickly, the history of any Mages guild, has been somewhat depressing and shallow. The mages guild' that where and have been created have been pityful compared with more successful guilds. Well this was usually for 2 or more reason, firstly no organisation, the gulds were simply mages from all over, there wass no meetings, no events they personnaly took part of. Secondly the leadership. It didnt really exdist, i know Hiro, who does not come to dysotopia tried sometimes, but he had other priorities. Therefore it Failed.

Well Im looking for Mages inputs on if an attempt should be made, i am willing and i know those of my friends for example, Nilas and Llewlan, Tae and others are prepared to support me.

Finally. A Note to a Moderator, I know that formally most moderators either suppport the White guardians or the OSB, but i am looking for a moderator as a persoanl liason for this guild. For example to set up events for our guild. also can i add, i need to talk to a moderator, because i have a spare server if they would like me to run Dyso on it.

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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ola!

*cheers* more power to you Darkness. though i suggest my allignment doesnt fit together with your focuses Im prepared to help you in building it up as far as i can.

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PostFri 05/23/03 11:09am
So this is like the opposite of The Academy.  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Opposite, In what way do you mean raven?


And Lewlan, your evil right? icon_twisted.gif

So am I, But alignment will make no difference in this guild, its personality, and good heartness.
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PostFri 05/23/03 11:52am
I think ppl need to see the guild charter of the Neo-Mage Guild, last one had no purpose or history, although history is certainly not needed.  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one has purpose, and it has depth, unlike previous guilds this one will hopefully be supported by alteast one moderator, therefore with the help of me and a moderator and my chief of staff, events just concerning the guild could be arranged.
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PostFri 05/23/03 12:24pm
Well lets see the depth please?  Reply with quote
 
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PostFri 05/23/03 1:04pm
Have you read The start of the Post, if you do again, ull find that nfac tthis is a proposal.  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm more than interested in joining that project. Hope my constitution (LE) won't prevent me form it... And, are there any restrictions and rules?
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not particularly, except for it will be a priverlaged guild, its not for anyone, and i would expect those who do join to be public speakers, and ejoy speaking there mind. That way we can build on each tohers feelings and opions to be more succesful.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have you read The start of the Post, if you do again, ull find that nfac tthis is a proposal.


Thats not much of an aim.
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PostFri 05/23/03 5:22pm
The aim... Is too bring Mages together, who and which enjoy each others company, and would like to acompany each other in events.  Reply with quote
 
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Make it an EVIL mages guild icon_twisted.gif  Reply with quote
 
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PostFri 05/23/03 5:24pm
Well the Academy also aims to get mages together.  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drudley. Im considering that.

Raven, the adcademy doesnt have moderators or admin backup, so i believe. And i have been in every version of dysotopia. And i havent heard about it. No offence intended.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darkness wrote:
The aim... Is too bring Mages together, who and which enjoy each others company, and would like to acompany each other in events.


Thats almost the worst charter I've seen. The last *guesses* 5 mage guild were the same and they got nowhere.
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PostFri 05/23/03 7:58pm
Ohh yeah, PLEASE don't name it mages guild  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darkness wrote:
Drudley. Im considering that.

Raven, the adcademy doesnt have moderators or admin backup, so i believe. And i have been in every version of dysotopia. And i havent heard about it. No offence intended.


You'd have to define more explicitely what is moderator backup. Because we've worked with DMs.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude...
MAGES GUILDS DON'T WORK UNLESS SCROLLS OR MAGICAL LEARNING IS SOMEHOW LIMITED, LIKE IN REAL D&D

class guilds in general don't work.
you need some way to motivate your guilds instead of saying "Huzzah! we're mages!!!1"
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Matthijs says:
   oh ja, ik weet het zonet nog niet
Matthijs says:
   het ziet er toch wel een beetje naar uit dat we nederlands praten
Matthijs says:
   mischien moet ik dan maar eens vaker nederlands gaan praten
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   kan je me ook meteen niet op al mijn spellinsfouten wijzen
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TP is spot on in that assessment. Class guilds, unless you are dealing with a class that has a built in "purpose" (i.e. Druids/Rangers and nature, Paladins and crusading, Rogues and thievery/extortion/spying), tend to end up with people from all over the spectrum who would never really work together as a cohesive unit.

The previous Arcane Arts Associations in the past ended up primarily as fronts for other groups or basically nothing much at all because you will have socerers and wizards of all stripes and some of them simply do not care for each others politics. This doesn't even get into the fact that there should be a degree of contempt between wizards (who view their trade as a science and intellectual undertaking) and sorcerers (who may be a dumb as a rock but just happen to have an inate ability to manipulate magical energy). Regardless of alignment, that's something you never see played up ... wizards looking down on sorcerers.
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PostFri 05/23/03 10:12pm
*Hopes that darkness fellow is a sorcerer*  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I beg to differ, yes, but a sorcerer simply does not does manipulate magic and elements of the surrounding area. It is skill and knowledge that does such a thing. Why There be any looking down on one another? Isnt that a bit patriarchal. Me looking down on a barbariam because he cannot manipulate the air around him.
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PostFri 05/23/03 11:01pm
And to finish on the subject ofa new mages guild, it is clear that all you do is critisise and do not support. So the idea can be scrapped.  Reply with quote
 
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We just play devils advocate, just making sure the concept is robust enough to survive.  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. You critisise for the reason that it makes you seem an important figurary, plus you are also in the Order of The shining Blade. Therefore why are critising something that has no impact on your charactr directly?

Are you replying as your character? Or are you replying as yourself?

And if the answrs yourself...Then you such consider supporting new ideas, instead of condeming them for your own personal gain.
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PostFri 05/23/03 11:15pm
you are after all a moderator.  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darkness wrote:
No. You critisise for the reason that it makes you seem an important figurary, plus you are also in the Order of The shining Blade. Therefore why are critising something that has no impact on your charactr directly?

Uin wrote:
just making sure the concept is robust enough to survive


I've seen too many Guilds post here then stop posting within 5 days because their charter was too thin. Mage's guilds have been know to fail on dyso, and have done so at LEAST 3 times. that's the ones we've noticed actually grow to good size in the first place.

as far as I know the only guild that has survived based on class was the Druid's guild, and that becuase it has a structured society (premade), actually DOES stuff in D&D (instead of has about 16 characters sitting around reading), and it's a well balanced class.

[don't feel like going back and changing it]oops, forgot the LoS... they organized the rogues, and essentially just set acceptable limits to PP, as well as hung out and had a good time (NOT rushing caverns) (wrote this before i edited)[/dflgbaci]
[edit]sorry conrad, forgot the OSB also, but they go out and crusade[/edit]

We're mostly just urging you to get a better charter than "to bring mages together". sorry, but that WILL fail, no matter how well intentioned you are. think of a better role to play (in society, not character... heh), get someone to help you think of stuff, and go at it better than the rest (who've all failed) have.
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Matthijs says:
   oh ja, ik weet het zonet nog niet
Matthijs says:
   het ziet er toch wel een beetje naar uit dat we nederlands praten
Matthijs says:
   mischien moet ik dan maar eens vaker nederlands gaan praten
Matthijs says:
   kan je me ook meteen niet op al mijn spellinsfouten wijzen
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2003 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is one thing currently every moderator has missed to fail. This post is a propsition for one to be created. Im looking for interest before i commit. That was clear from my first post.

Therefore i do not wish to hear about the failure sof the last, the reson for that is, is because i headed it for a while with Hiro. Therefore im clear of all of these points you have made to me, and i thankyou for that.

Finally, "to bring mages together" isnt just the sole aim, come on, be realistic. But im not going type paragraphs in here, because no one reads a bloke of writing solid.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darkness wrote:
There is one thing currently every moderator


I'm not a mod.
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Matthijs says:
   oh ja, ik weet het zonet nog niet
Matthijs says:
   het ziet er toch wel een beetje naar uit dat we nederlands praten
Matthijs says:
   mischien moet ik dan maar eens vaker nederlands gaan praten
Matthijs says:
   kan je me ook meteen niet op al mijn spellinsfouten wijzen
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little Teapot wrote:
Darkness wrote:
There is one thing currently every moderator


I'm not a mod.



I wasnt talking about you.
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